Listen as this week I talk with Ben Stafford, we talk about his love for music, what's it like running a business with his wife and how empathy has had a big impact on his family. 

Learn more about Ben: 
Illustration: https://benillustrated.com 
Design Studio: https://fxmdw.com
Book: https://www.happycargobooks.com
Instagram & Twitter: @benstafford86 
30 Second Soundtracks on Instagram: @30SecondSoundtracks 

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